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Is my outage inside or out?

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    lairdb
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    I'm having trouble diagnosing an outage, because it's intermittent and lasts only a few seconds to a couple of minutes; very hard to catch and troubleshoot, and nothing on-prem shows errors in the logs after the fact.

    The tracker reports it as "inside" most of the time... but it reports the address of the first outside hop, which makes me not entirely confident. ("How do it know?")

    Here's the topology: It's a double-NAT; the tracer agent is running on a 24x7 windows PC; this tracert was run from there:

    Tracing route to dns.google [8.8.8.8]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1    <1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  www.asusrouter.com [192.168.222.1]
      2     2 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.111.1
      3    98 ms   405 ms    22 ms  int-1.sndgcaxt03m.netops.charter.com [142.254.184.109]
      4   214 ms   275 ms   416 ms  lag-61.sndgcaxt02h.netops.charter.com [76.167.27.205]
      5   871 ms   177 ms   334 ms  lag-19.hcr02sndgcaxt.netops.charter.com [72.129.15.182]
      6   934 ms    78 ms   228 ms  lag-20.sndhcaax02r.netops.charter.com [72.129.15.186]
      7    30 ms    41 ms    46 ms  lag-22.rcr01tustcaft.netops.charter.com [72.129.1.2]
      8   381 ms    55 ms   234 ms  72.14.221.250
      9   223 ms   156 ms    95 ms  172.253.51.129
     10   113 ms   414 ms   206 ms  142.250.226.113
     11   682 ms   208 ms   329 ms  dns.google [8.8.8.8]
    

    ..222.1 is the internal router, ..111.1 is the cablemodem, then 142.254.184.109 is the first piece of ISP equipment. The reports show that the outage (92% of the time) is at 142.254.184.109 -- though it labels that "Internal" (which it isn't, again in the "how do it know" category.)

    So... where's my issue actually happening? TIA.

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      SBK
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      HI, let me take a look to understand what is happening and will get back to you asap

      Ed (K.)
      Development Team

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        SBK
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        It seems we are talking of the agent ID 129695 in San Diego, can you please confirm?

        Ed (K.)
        Development Team

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          lairdb
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          Correct.

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            SBK
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            I am assuming that ID 129695 is the agent since your your traceroute is almost identical to the hops we have for it.

            image.png

            The weird thing is that for some reason the IP 142.254.184.109 has been considered part of your network while definitely it is not.
            I am overriding that hop to be part of the ISP network to be sure that next outages will be associated correctly but at the same time I am opening an internal ticket to check why this has happened to your agent

            Ed (K.)
            Development Team

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              lairdb
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              Thanks -- but what interpretation should I put on this? Is my issue with the cablemodem ..111.1 or with the Charter device 142.254.184.109 (or the link between?)

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                #7

                I was still redacting my answer and stumbled on the hops assignment...

                image.png
                The above image shows the outages recorded at your site and you can see that both 192.168.111.1 and 142.254.184.109 are identified as triggering the outage

                My question is are these two IP the LAN and the WAN interface of you ISP router ?
                Or the private one is your router and the public one is the ISP?

                In any case, as I mentioned above the Affected network is wrong when the 142.254.184.109 is "responsible" of the outage

                Ed (K.)
                Development Team

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                  Now it seems better, as far as I can see

                  image.png

                  Ed (K.)
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                  • SBKS SBK

                    I am assuming that ID 129695 is the agent since your your traceroute is almost identical to the hops we have for it.

                    image.png

                    The weird thing is that for some reason the IP 142.254.184.109 has been considered part of your network while definitely it is not.
                    I am overriding that hop to be part of the ISP network to be sure that next outages will be associated correctly but at the same time I am opening an internal ticket to check why this has happened to your agent

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                    SBK
                    wrote last edited by SBK
                    #9

                    said in Is my outage inside or out?:

                    The weird thing is that for some reason the IP 142.254.184.109 has been considered part of your network while definitely it is not.
                    I am overriding that hop to be part of the ISP network to be sure that next outages will be associated correctly but at the same time I am opening an internal ticket to check why this has happened to your agent

                    I also have an answer for this

                    If you take a look at the hops
                    d389a460-b799-48f8-8956-ddd5a9758c8b-image.png
                    you will see that exactly THAT hop 142.254.184.109 has no ASN number/org this is something that can happen when portion of networks were before owned by a different provider (same could happen when the same company is assigned different ASN like 20001 and 7843 both belonging to Charter Communications)

                    So thank you for highlighting this exception!

                    Ed (K.)
                    Development Team

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                    • SBKS SBK

                      I was still redacting my answer and stumbled on the hops assignment...

                      image.png
                      The above image shows the outages recorded at your site and you can see that both 192.168.111.1 and 142.254.184.109 are identified as triggering the outage

                      My question is are these two IP the LAN and the WAN interface of you ISP router ?
                      Or the private one is your router and the public one is the ISP?

                      In any case, as I mentioned above the Affected network is wrong when the 142.254.184.109 is "responsible" of the outage

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                      lairdb
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                      @SBK said in Is my outage inside or out?:

                      The above image shows the outages recorded at your site and you can see that both 192.168.111.1 and 142.254.184.109 are identified as triggering the outage

                      My question is are these two IP the LAN and the WAN interface of you ISP router ?
                      Or the private one is your router and the public one is the ISP?

                      So, ..222.1 is the inside of my router, ..111.1 is the inside of my cablemodem. 142.254.184.109 ("int-1.sndgcaxt03m.netops.charter.com") is, I believe, the first piece of equipment not on my prem; definitely not my cablemodem's outside IP.

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                        SBK
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                        Then the first ISP hop is and must be 142.254.184.109 which is how it shows up now

                        Ed (K.)
                        Development Team

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                          lairdb
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                          FYI still sometimes showing their IP as internal:

                          2026-02-25 11:06:14 - Down (72.129.1.2) for 16s (Provider)
                          2026-02-25 08:45:14 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 7s (Internal)
                          2026-02-25 08:24:54 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 20s (Provider)
                          2026-02-25 06:49:09 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 21s (Provider)
                          2026-02-25 06:11:04 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 20s (Provider)
                          
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                            SBK
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                            #13

                            I was testing an exception
                            Sorry for not informing!
                            It has been fixed now
                            Please confirm

                            Ed (K.)
                            Development Team

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                              I was testing an exception
                              Sorry for not informing!
                              It has been fixed now
                              Please confirm

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                              lairdb
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                              #14

                              @SBK said in Is my outage inside or out?:

                              I was testing an exception
                              Sorry for not informing!
                              It has been fixed now
                              Please confirm

                              Yes; thanks.

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                                SBK
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                                Keep us posted if you see something else that sounds "weird"

                                Ed (K.)
                                Development Team

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                                  lairdb
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                                  2026-02-27 11:25:10 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 1m 38s (Provider)
                                  2026-02-27 10:53:14 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 8s (Provider)
                                  2026-02-27 10:04:39 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 55s (Internal)
                                  2026-02-27 09:44:39 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 2s (Internal)
                                  2026-02-27 09:09:04 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 3s (Provider)
                                  2026-02-27 08:00:44 - Down (142.254.184.109) for 6s (Provider)

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